How can you say he is standing up for what he believes? He hid his Marijuana in a closet! Then he resisted arrest when he was caught!

So far all I see from this article is the guy was growing and selling Marijuana and it looks like mushrooms too!

http://www.eransworld.com/politics/utah-legislature-supports-10th-amendment-4th/

But according to Utah state historical websites, that is exactly what happened.

This is from:
http://www.media.utah.edu/UHE/i/IMMIGRATION.html

Despite significant immigration from southern and eastern Europe early in the twentieth century, immigrants from northern and western Europe remained most numerous in Utah, joined after World War II by Canadian immigrants. A resurgence of Mormon immigration followed that war–more than 24,000 had immigrated by 1959, many of them settling in Utah. To combat overcrowding in the Netherlands, the Dutch government offered financial assistance to emigrants, resulting in an unprecedented volume of Dutch immigration to Utah. In 1970 Utah was the only state in which the United Kingdom was the leading country of origin for immigrants and their children, accounting for 2.7 percent of the state’s population, followed by 1.3 percent from Germany and 1.1 percent from Canada.

Utah’s Hispanic population grew between 1910 and 1930, primarily with immigration from Mexico, then dwindled during the Depression of the 1930s. Its ranks began to swell again beginning with World War II, but a higher proportion have come to Utah from Colorado and New Mexico than from Mexico.

There were many Mormon missionary projects in Europe and Mexico at that time, and Utah’s population surged significantly as a result.

I guess what I see, is that you came here to basically tell me what I already knew.

You said lately:

Now there are a number of sources just simply claiming Utah was the first, that are not crediting the Mormons, those I can accept because utah was the first to come right out and ban Marijuana for smoking!

So you’re problem is now that I accredit the ban on cannabis with Mormons. First you disputed this “mass migration” to Utah during that time. Then you claimed it was California to ban marijuana first. NOW you are saying that you agree that it was Utah that banned cannabis first, but you don’t agree with it being about Mormons.

Ok. Gotcha Burt.

BTW- Type as slow as you want. But don’t blame me for you’re typing slowly. LOL

“Also click on the link drugwarrant.com from your initial post in this thread. it takes you to this link http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ Now scroll down to the section titled The Mexican Connection! Now read the third paragraph in that section! that Paragraph shows the Whitebread links and the Parshal rebutal!”

Isn’t it great to read a balanced article. I did leave that article as an after thought, about 3 months after I made the video.
Here is the video, and I offer all of my sources for my opinion in the video:
http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/1051182/Ze_vZe3DZOFvZ2VDZuN&pos=ancr
I never used Charles Whitebread as a source, and neither did anyone in the video.

You also say:

If you want to sound like a rational, knowlegeable person while trying to get people to understand Marijuana, educate yourself on why marijuana was really made illegal! Learn about Harry J. Anslinger and rant about his abuse of his power and fanatical attack on marijuana! talk about some of the experts who made wild claims about marijuana causing people to be violent or made blacks look at white women etc.

You mentioned Harry Anslinger. I have wrote him in about a dozen or so articles at http://xcannabis.com, but he was from a later time. We are talking about 1914/1915 when Utah outlaws marijuana statewide. Anslinger, and William Randolf Hurst, and all of the others entered the scene about 10 years later.
When I am talking about the 1915 ban on marijuana in Utah, it has nothing to do with Anslinger.

You say:

Now if are really interested to find out why Marijuana was prohibited I would recommend this link http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/vlr/vlr2.htm

I’ve read that one, it has this excerpt also:

1. Rationale in the West: Class Legislation

Geometric increases in Mexican immigration after the turn of the century naturally resulted in the formation of sizeable Mexican-American minorities in each western state.10 It was thought then11 and is generally assumed now12 that use of marijuana west of the Mississippi was limited primarily to the Mexican segment of the population. We do not find it surprising, therefore, that sixteen of these states prohibited sale or possession of marijuana before 1930.13 Whether motivated by outright prejudice or simple discriminatory disinterest, the result was the same in each legislature-little if any public attention, no debate, pointed references to the drug’s Mexican origins, and sometimes vociferous allusion to the criminal conduct inevitably generated when Mexicans ate “the killer weed.”

In Utah, for example, the nation’s first statewide prohibition of marijuana 14 in 1915 was attended by little publicity. The combination of increasing Mexican immigration15 and the traditional aversion of the Mormons to euphoriants of any kind16 led inevitably to the inclusion of marijuana in the state’s omnibus narcotics and pharmacy bill. Similarly, when the New Mexico and Texas legislatures passed marijuana legislation in 1923, the former by separate statute17 and the latter by inclusion,18 newspaper reference was minimal despite coverage in both states of legislative action.19 The longest of the Santa Fe New Mexican references noted:

The Santa Fe representative, however, had better luck with his bill to prevent sale of marihuana, cannabis indica, Indian hemp or hashish as it is variously known. This bill was passed without any opposition. Marihuana was brought into local prominence at the penitentiary board’s investigation last summer when a convict testified he could get marihuana cigarets anytime he had a dollar. The drug produces intoxication when chewed or smoked. Marihuana is the name commonly used in the Southwest and Mexico.

RE: In Utah, for example, the nation’s first statewide prohibition of marijuana 14 in 1915 was attended by little publicity.

Thats what I’ve been saying BTW.

I really don’t understand why you are correcting me, unless it’s just to try to assert that you know about this subject.
It looks like you have been reading about this subject. Great. But you haven’t don’t anything but re-enforce what I have been saying all along. Utah was the first state to ban marijuana statewide. Thats the facts, and even a few of your sources have said the same thing.

Try to pay attention here for just a few minuets I will type slow so you can keep up!

I first brought up Charles Whitebread because when I googled “utah was the first state to outlaw marijuana” I got many hits and when I would read them they all seemed to say the same thing. I was on one page that had wording identical to 5 others I had just read so I copied and pasted one paragraph into google and searched. the results showed Ardis Parshall, I knew who he is and so I skipped his article and opened the next one down It was referencing the speech by Whitebread and the pragraph I copied was word for word from his speech! I went back to my search about utah being first and opened several more and many quoted him, or copied his work and did not say where it came from!

I read Chales whitebreads claims and found them factualy inaccurate about Many things that I can check on! If what I could check on is not accurate how can I trust what I can not check on?

I find it interesting that Charles Whitebread gives many reasons for other states to outlaw marijuana such as its adictivness, the growing awareness of the drug problems, people lumping Marijuana in with other drugs when discribing the drug problem. international movement towards cracking down on drugs including marijuana! discriptians by socalled experts of the effects marijuana has on the user and many other reasons for the prohibition! But he blames Utahs laws simply on “the traditional aversion of the Mormons to euphoriants of any kind16″

That is why I feel that bringing up Charles whitebread is important!

Also click on the link drugwarrant.com from your initial post in this thread. it takes you to this link http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ Now scroll down to the section titled The Mexican Connection! Now read the third paragraph in that section! that Paragraph shows the Whitebread links and the Parshal rebutal!

Many people are claiming Utah was the first and it was the Mormons fault! Some claim it because the Mormons were so strict! Some because the Mormons were the only ones in Utah or mostly so! Some do not give any reasons just say it was the Mormons! None of those have given any evidence for this claim!

Now there are a number of sources just simply claiming Utah was the first, that are not crediting the Mormons, those I can accept because utah was the first to come right out and ban Marijuana for smoking!

“As for California being the first state to ban marijuana. I have no proof that they banned marijuana statewide before Utah. As I understand it, they banned hemp before marijuana. But it was Utah who had banned marijuana statewide first out of all other U.S. states.”

Read the language around the words “indian Hemp in the law and you should be able to understand it was in a section labled poison! It was also targeting medical use of Poisons! Now if you want to further destroy your credibility by claiming to understand that to mean hemp for cloth, rope or paper, or the other uses hemp has, that is your choice!

Now if are really interested to find out why Marijuana was prohibited I would recommend this link http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/vlr/vlr2.htm

another link that will help is http://books.google.com/books?id=13MaAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=pure+drug+law+states&ei=Bc9oSe3MGZXWNtKXjNII#v=onepage&q=&f=false especially read the California section.

If you want to sound like a rational, knowlegeable person while trying to get people to understand Marijuana, educate yourself on why marijuana was really made illegal! Learn about Harry J. Anslinger and rant about his abuse of his power and fanatical attack on marijuana! talk about some of the experts who made wild claims about marijuana causing people to be violent or made blacks look at white women etc.

Burt

You, have no reputation. I don’t even know what your face looks like. =)

As for Steve. That is an ENTIRELY different subject. You are asking me if I trust him? No. But as far as Im concerned, Steve Sanderson doesn’t have a reputation that could possibly even shine a light on Charles Whitebread. Steve Sanderson the “Dallas Attorney”, claims that I am breaking the law by using medical marijuana in the state of WA where I reside. Despite that medical marijuana is LEGAL (WA I-692). So I can’t possibly lend Steve any credibility.
Maybe you can compare Mr. Whitebread to Mr. Steve Sanderson, but I don’t know much about Steve Sanderson. I don’t know where he works, where he went to school, what legal papers he wrote, and what events he was a keynote speaker. I just hear often from him “I was a big time prosecutor, and marijuana users are evil”.

Just because he SAYS he was some big shot attorney, doesn’t mean that he REALLY is. He lies about a bunch of other things, who’s to believe him about his self proclaimed career? He doesn’t even seem to know anything about marijuana law. Sorry, I don’t really think he is an attorney. Or at least, not the attorney that he claims to be.
I would DEFINITELY need some evidence for that claim!

As for Mormons banning marijuana. Like I said, many of my sources point to Utah being the first state to ban marijuana. I listed a few of my sources, and then you also provided a source that I hadn’t used, by introducing Charles Whitebread. I have a lot more sources that say Utah was the first state to ban marijuana than not.

Here is some more information on Utah being the first state to offer statewide prohibition of Marihuana:

THE MARIHUANA PAPERs at xiv (D. Solomon ed. 1966). 13 Id. at xv.

At its 1915 session, the Utah legislature passed an omnibus narcotics and pharmacy bill which included under it the cannabis drugs. Ch. 66, §§ 7, 8, [1915] Utah Laws 77. The law forbade sale and possession of the named drugs, and provided for medical use under a system of prescriptions and order blanks. Interestingly, clinical treatment of addicts was allowed. Id. at 77-80. The law also prohibited possession of opium and marijuana pipes. Id. at 80. Violations were misdemeanors punishable by fines and/or imprisonment for terms up to six months, but third offenders faced prison terms from one to five years. The statute made no distinction between sale and possession, nor among the various drugs. The law was revised in 1927. Ch. 65, [1927]1 Utah Laws 107.

As for Mormon leaders discussing marijuana. Marijuana in it’s time was a sort of “Mexican tobacco”. And Mormon’s had long since banned tobacco, when Brigham Young made Joseph Smith’s “Word of Wisdom” doctrinal.

See THE DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, CONTAINING THE REVELATIONS GIVEN TO JOSEPH SMITH, THE PROPHET § 89, at 154 (192 1) (PP, P 5, 7, wine or strong drink) (P 8, tobacco) (P 9, hot drinks) (revelations given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February, 27, 1833, known as the Word of Wisdom).

As for California being the first state to ban marijuana. I have no proof that they banned marijuana statewide before Utah. As I understand it, they banned hemp before marijuana. But it was Utah who had banned marijuana statewide first out of all other U.S. states.

He went to College and Law School, Just like every other lawyer. He got out of school and tried being a Lawyer and decided he would be better at teaching then practicing Law, just like most other Law Professors! None of that proves anything when he claimed Utah was the first state to ban Marijuana, when California was clearly first! He also claimed the LDS Church was behind Utah banning Marijuana, when there is no record of any conversations from LDS Leaders at the time about Marijuana!

Atticus is a Lawyer, he went to college and law School I am sure he has written Articles for legal Publications, it’s what Lawyers do! However you do not trust a thing he says! This proves that Schooling and achievements do not automatically make a person believable!

Once again you prove that you are not worried about the truth, just the message!

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm

Who is Charles Whitebread? A Professor of Law, USC Law School.

His credentials are:

Princeton University (1965), where he was an honors graduate
Yale Law School (1968), where he was an editor for the Yale Law Journal

After briefly working at Wilmer Cutler & Pickering, he became a professor at the University of Virginia School of Law, where he taught for 13 years, and then moved to the University of Southern California Law School.

Whitebread was also a lecturer in criminal law and procedure for BarBri. He was very popular with BarBri students, who have started Facebook groups in appreciation of his unique humor style.

Whitebread gave the keynote speech at the American Psychology and Law Society (APLS) Annual Conference in Jacksonville, Florida on March 6, 2008.
Writings

Whitebread was a prolific legal writer, who published a dozen books and over 30 law review articles, which includes Criminal Procedure, Children in the Legal System, and The Eight Secrets of Top Exam Performance in Law School.

More about Professor Whitebread can be found in the links below.
Professor Whitebread’s wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitebread

An archive of Professor Whitebread’s homepage at USC
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~cwhitebr/

Seems like a decent guy if you ask me.